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{{title|Kosovo and Us|[[Wikipedia:Joseph Facal|Joseph Facal]]|February 20, 2008<br /><br />Excerpt translated by [[User:Liberlogos|Benoît Rheault]] from:<br /><br />''[http://www.josephfacal.org/le-kosovo-et-nous/#more-229 Le blogue de Joseph Facal]''}}
{{title|Kosovo and Us|[[Wikipedia:Joseph Facal|Joseph Facal]]|February 20, 2008<br /><br />Translated by [[User:Liberlogos|Benoît Rheault]] from:<br /><br />''[http://www.josephfacal.org/le-kosovo-et-nous/#more-229 Le blogue de Joseph Facal]''}}


It is quite a thing to witness the zeal with which our [[Wikipedia:Quebec federalist ideology|federalist]] elites explain us that [[Wikipedia:Kosovo|Kosovo]] and [[Wikipedia:Quebec|Quebec]] have have nothing, strictly nothing to do with each other.
It is quite a thing to witness the zeal with which our [[Wikipedia:Quebec federalist ideology|federalist]] elites explain us that [[Wikipedia:Kosovo|Kosovo]] and [[Wikipedia:Quebec|Quebec]] have have nothing, strictly nothing to do with each other.


The differences between Quebec and Kosovo are indeed numerous and deep. But the interest of the [[Wikipedia:2008 Kosovo declaration of independence|Kosovar case]] is elsewhere.
The differences between Quebec and Kosovo are indeed numerous and profound. But the interest of the [[Wikipedia:2008 Kosovo declaration of independence|Kosovar case]] is elsewhere.


For years, some people seek to convince Quebecers that there would be, throughout the world, but only one and single way of obtaining [[Wikipedia:Independence|independence]]. We see now that this question is infinitely more complex.
For years, some people have sought to convince Quebecers that there would be, throughout the world, but a single way to obtain [[Wikipedia:Independence|independence]]. We see now that this question is infinitely more complex.


== False obviousness ==
== False obviousness ==
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For example, we have been told for a long time that those who wished to leave had to get the permission of the State they wanted to leave, which excluded by definition a [[Wikipedia:Unilateral declaration of independence|unilateral declaration of independence]]. Kosovo illustrates that another way is theoretically possible.
For example, we have been told for a long time that those who wished to leave had to get the permission of the State they wanted to leave, which excluded by definition a [[Wikipedia:Unilateral declaration of independence|unilateral declaration of independence]]. Kosovo illustrates that another way is theoretically possible.


From time immemorial, we have been presented as gospel the idea that almost unanimous recognition of the international community would be needed. Nothing as such here. Even powers like [[Wikipedia:China|China]] and [[Wikipedia:Russia|Russia]] are opposed to the [[Wikipedia:2008 Kosovo declaration of independence|independence of Kosovo]].
From time immemorial, we have been presented as gospel the idea that an almost unanimous recognition of the international community would be needed. Nothing as such here. Even powers like [[Wikipedia:China|China]] and [[Wikipedia:Russia|Russia]] are opposed to the [[Wikipedia:2008 Kosovo declaration of independence|independence of Kosovo]].


No [[Wikipedia:referendum|referendum]] in Kosovo either. Obviously, it would be pure madness to start arguing that a referendum would not be necessary [[Wikipedia:Quebec referendum|in the case of Quebec]].
No [[Wikipedia:referendum|referendum]] in Kosovo either. Obviously, it would be pure madness to start arguing that a referendum would not be necessary [[Wikipedia:Quebec referendum|in the case of Quebec]].


One sees on the other hand to what degree it is intellectually dishonest to put the threshold of 55% suggested by the [[Wikipedia:European Union|European Union]] in the case of the [[Wikipedia:Montenegro referendum|referendum held in Montenegro]] as a precedent having from now on the force of law.
One sees on the other hand to what degree it is intellectually dishonest to put the 55% threshold suggested by the [[Wikipedia:European Union|European Union]] in the case of the [[Wikipedia:Montenegro referendum|referendum held in Montenegro]] as a precedent having from now on the force of law.


== To each their own context ==
== To each their own context ==


For a long time, we have been told also that the right of peoples to self-determination could be called upon only in cases of peoples in a [[Wikipedia:Colonialism|colonial situation]], or when the State which one wishes to leave is not a [[Wikipedia:Democracy|democracy]].
For a long time, we have also been told that the right of peoples to self-determination could be called upon only in cases of peoples in a [[Wikipedia:Colonialism|colonial situation]], or when the State which one wishes to leave is not a [[Wikipedia:Democracy|democracy]].


Kosovo is however not a colony, and the [[Wikipedia:Serbia|Serbia]] of today is an undeniable democracy.  
Kosovo is however not a colony, and the [[Wikipedia:Serbia|Serbia]] of today is an undeniable democracy.  


Ah, but Kosovars, they suffered, we are told. That is true, but what is the degree of suffering necessary to qualify oneself? And who ultimately judges?
Ah, but Kosovars, they suffered, we are told. That is true, but what is the degree of suffering necessary to qualify? And who ultimately judges on it?


Beyond the legal aspects, we hear sometimes that the small size and [[Wikipedia:Globalization|globalization]] make the statute of a Sovereign state negligible. Kosovars do not seem to think so.
Beyond the legal aspects, we hear sometimes that small size and [[Wikipedia:Globalization|globalization]] make the status of a Sovereign state negligible. Kosovars do not seem to think so.


== Two conditions ==
== Two conditions ==
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Is it to say that there are no rules, that this gap in the law is absolute? Neither.
Is it to say that there are no rules, that this gap in the law is absolute? Neither.


There are indeed some generally understood principles of [[Wikipedia:international law|international law]] regarding secession. But essentially, international law adjusts with political reality, rather than the opposite.
There are indeed some generally understood principles of [[Wikipedia:international law|international law]] regarding secession. But essentially, international law adjusts to political reality, rather than the opposite.


At the core of it all, two essential criteria settle a case.
At the core of it all, two essential criteria settle a case.


Do those declaring independence have an effective control on the territory they claim? And is there a clear political will on behalf of a majority of the population in question to gain independence?
Do those declaring independence have an effective control over the territory they claim? And is there a clear political will on behalf of a majority of the population in question to gain independence?


Generally, in these matters, there is more gray area than black and white. We simply have to be aware of it.
Generally, in these matters, there is more gray area than black and white. We simply have to be aware of it.
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Latest revision as of 20:04, 29 January 2011


Kosovo and Us
February 20, 2008

Translated by Benoît Rheault from:

Le blogue de Joseph Facal



It is quite a thing to witness the zeal with which our federalist elites explain us that Kosovo and Quebec have have nothing, strictly nothing to do with each other.

The differences between Quebec and Kosovo are indeed numerous and profound. But the interest of the Kosovar case is elsewhere.

For years, some people have sought to convince Quebecers that there would be, throughout the world, but a single way to obtain independence. We see now that this question is infinitely more complex.

False obviousness

Former Quebec minister, Uruguay-born Joseph Facal.

For example, we have been told for a long time that those who wished to leave had to get the permission of the State they wanted to leave, which excluded by definition a unilateral declaration of independence. Kosovo illustrates that another way is theoretically possible.

From time immemorial, we have been presented as gospel the idea that an almost unanimous recognition of the international community would be needed. Nothing as such here. Even powers like China and Russia are opposed to the independence of Kosovo.

No referendum in Kosovo either. Obviously, it would be pure madness to start arguing that a referendum would not be necessary in the case of Quebec.

One sees on the other hand to what degree it is intellectually dishonest to put the 55% threshold suggested by the European Union in the case of the referendum held in Montenegro as a precedent having from now on the force of law.

To each their own context

For a long time, we have also been told that the right of peoples to self-determination could be called upon only in cases of peoples in a colonial situation, or when the State which one wishes to leave is not a democracy.

Kosovo is however not a colony, and the Serbia of today is an undeniable democracy.

Ah, but Kosovars, they suffered, we are told. That is true, but what is the degree of suffering necessary to qualify? And who ultimately judges on it?

Beyond the legal aspects, we hear sometimes that small size and globalization make the status of a Sovereign state negligible. Kosovars do not seem to think so.

Two conditions

Is Kosovo a "specific" case? Yes and no. Recent cases in the world where independence has been gained are all so different from one another that we could reasonably argue that each one is a "specific" case.

Is it to say that there are no rules, that this gap in the law is absolute? Neither.

There are indeed some generally understood principles of international law regarding secession. But essentially, international law adjusts to political reality, rather than the opposite.

At the core of it all, two essential criteria settle a case.

Do those declaring independence have an effective control over the territory they claim? And is there a clear political will on behalf of a majority of the population in question to gain independence?

Generally, in these matters, there is more gray area than black and white. We simply have to be aware of it.

Notes

This is a translated article of Joseph Facal's blog post Le Kosovo et nous. This is an original and unofficial translation for this site.


This text is licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License.