https://english.republiquelibre.org/index.php?title=The_suite_et_(we_hope)_fin_to_the_little_debate_about_the_census&feed=atom&action=historyThe suite et (we hope) fin to the little debate about the census - Revision history2024-03-29T12:08:33ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.5https://english.republiquelibre.org/index.php?title=The_suite_et_(we_hope)_fin_to_the_little_debate_about_the_census&diff=9887&oldid=prevMathieugp at 20:00, 14 July 20092009-07-14T20:00:50Z<p></p>
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</table>Mathieugphttps://english.republiquelibre.org/index.php?title=The_suite_et_(we_hope)_fin_to_the_little_debate_about_the_census&diff=5561&oldid=prevMathieugp at 21:33, 15 June 20072007-06-15T21:33:07Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What a surprise to see Fo Niemi and Jack Jedwab, two of Quebec's most eloquent anti-racist spokesmen, come out in favour of Statistics Canada's ethnicity questions in the current census even though they appear to agree that in the past such data have been used to discriminate against minorities (letters, May 17 and 19). Their confidence that history will not repeat itself is amazing. Who can guarantee that the most solemn promises made with the best of intentions in peace-time will not be broken in times of war or strife. In the first World War, Canadian citizens of German origin lost their right to vote and in the Second World War, Japanese Canadians were dispossessed and interned. More recently, many Canadian citizens of Arab origin or Muslim faith complained of intrusions by the RCMP and CSIS during the Gulf <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">War </del>- see ''The Gulf Within'', by Zuhair Kashmiri - as did Canadian citizens of Serbian background during the war in ex-Yugoslavia.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What a surprise to see <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Fo Niemi<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Jack Jedwab<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>, two of Quebec's most eloquent anti-racist spokesmen, come out in favour of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Statistics Canada<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>'s ethnicity questions in the current census even though they appear to agree that in the past such data have been used to discriminate against minorities (letters, May 17 and 19). Their confidence that history will not repeat itself is amazing. Who can guarantee that the most solemn promises made with the best of intentions in peace-time will not be broken in times of war or strife. In the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>first World War<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>, Canadian citizens of German origin lost their right to vote and in the Second World War, Japanese Canadians were dispossessed and interned. More recently, many Canadian citizens of Arab origin or Muslim faith complained of intrusions by the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>RCMP<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>CSIS<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>during the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Gulf <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">War]] </ins>- see ''The Gulf Within'', by <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Zuhair Kashmiri<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>- as did Canadian citizens of Serbian background during the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>war in ex-Yugoslavia<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Mathieugphttps://english.republiquelibre.org/index.php?title=The_suite_et_(we_hope)_fin_to_the_little_debate_about_the_census&diff=5274&oldid=prevMathieugp at 04:23, 8 June 20072007-06-08T04:23:56Z<p></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>The ''suite et'' (we hope) ''fin'' to the little debate about the census.<br />
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What a surprise to see Fo Niemi and Jack Jedwab, two of Quebec's most eloquent anti-racist spokesmen, come out in favour of Statistics Canada's ethnicity questions in the current census even though they appear to agree that in the past such data have been used to discriminate against minorities (letters, May 17 and 19). Their confidence that history will not repeat itself is amazing. Who can guarantee that the most solemn promises made with the best of intentions in peace-time will not be broken in times of war or strife. In the first World War, Canadian citizens of German origin lost their right to vote and in the Second World War, Japanese Canadians were dispossessed and interned. More recently, many Canadian citizens of Arab origin or Muslim faith complained of intrusions by the RCMP and CSIS during the Gulf War - see ''The Gulf Within'', by Zuhair Kashmiri - as did Canadian citizens of Serbian background during the war in ex-Yugoslavia.<br />
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Moreover, some sorcerer's apprentices here and in Ottawa have also talked of partitioning Quebec. They would undoubtedly base their territorial carving on the ethnicity data made available by Statistics Canada.<br />
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What is probably the most troubling is that while so many people are striving to break down ethnic stereotyping and end the concomitant discrimination, an arm of the State comes along and legitimates such divisions by demanding that citizens define themselves, whether they like it or not and under threat of a fine or imprisonment, by their own and their ancestors' ethnic origins, by their colour and by their religion.<br />
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It is ironic that Quebec is so often accused of the worst evils regarding ethnicity, yet it is Canada that has institutionalized ethnicity to a far greater extent than most other modern states.<br />
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Guy Bouthillier<br />
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President, Société Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Montréal</div>Mathieugp