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"I see in the not remote distance one great nationality bound like the shield of Achilles, by the blue rim of ocean ... I see within the ground of that shield the peaks of the western mountains and the crests of the eastern waves." - [[Wikipedia:Thomas D'Arcy McGee|Thomas D'Arcy McGee]], 1860
"Very blind are those who speak of the creation of a new nationality, strong and harmonious, on the northern bank of the St. Lawrence and the Great Lakes, and who are unaware of or denounce the major and providential fact that this nationality is already very well formed, that it is great, and growing unceasingly; that it cannot be confined to its current limits; that it has an irresistible force of expansion; that in the future it will be more and more made up of immigrants coming from all the countries in the world, no longer only from Europe, but soon from Asia, whose overpopulation is five times more numerous [than that of Europe] and no longer has any other outfall than America; composed, says I, of all races of men, who, with their thousand religious beliefs, large mix of errors and truths, are all pushed by the Providence towards this common rendez-vous that will melt in unity and fraternity all of the human family." -- [[Wikipedia:Louis-Joseph Papineau|Louis-Joseph Papineau]], 1867
"Very blind are those who speak of the creation of a new nationality, strong and harmonious, on the northern bank of the St. Lawrence and the Great Lakes, and who are unaware of or denounce the major and providential fact that this nationality is already very well formed, that it is great, and growing unceasingly; that it cannot be confined to its current limits; that it has an irresistible force of expansion; that in the future it will be more and more made up of immigrants coming from all the countries in the world, no longer only from Europe, but soon from Asia, whose overpopulation is five times more numerous [than that of Europe] and no longer has any other outfall than America; composed, says I, of all races of men, who, with their thousand religious beliefs, large mix of errors and truths, are all pushed by the Providence towards this common rendez-vous that will melt in unity and fraternity all of the human family." -- [[Wikipedia:Louis-Joseph Papineau|Louis-Joseph Papineau]], 1867


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* [http://canada.gc.ca/main_e.html Government of Canada], a nice bilingual façade to everything it does
* [http://canada.gc.ca/main_e.html Government of Canada], a nice bilingual façade to everything it does
* [http://www.pch.gc.ca/index_e.cfm Canadian Heritage Department], putting the federal state's flag all over Quebec for free
* [http://www.pch.gc.ca/index_e.cfm Canadian Heritage Department], putting the federal state's flag all over Quebec for free
* [http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/default.asp?Language=E&Page=consfile&Sub=TheHistoryofConstitution The History of Canada's Constitutional Development], according to the Department of Intergovernmental affairs
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20070809231519/http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/aia/default.asp?Language=E&Page=consfile&Sub=TheHistoryofConstitution The History of Canada's Constitutional Development], according to the Department of Intergovernmental affairs
* [http://www.liberal.ca The Liberal Party of Canada], controlled a majority of the seats at the federal House of Commons for over 75 years out of 139, with an average of less than 45% of the popular vote.  
* [http://www.liberal.ca The Liberal Party of Canada], controlled a majority of the seats at the federal House of Commons for over 75 years out of 139, with an average of less than 45% of the popular vote.  
* [http://www.conservative.ca/ Conservative Party of Canada], controlled a majority of the seats at the federal House of Commons for over 44 years out of 139, with an average of less than 45% of the popular vote.  
* [http://www.conservative.ca/ Conservative Party of Canada], controlled a majority of the seats at the federal House of Commons for over 44 years out of 139, with an average of less than 45% of the popular vote.  
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=== Various organizations ===
=== Various organizations ===


These organizations are actively engaged in the nation-building project of the federal state, project which implies a battling against that old Quebec national sentiment that just won't die...
These organizations are actively engaged in the nation-building project of the federal State, project which implies a battling against that old Quebec national sentiment that just won't die...


* [http://www.cucweb.ca/index_en.html Canadian Unity Council] $$
* [http://www.cucweb.ca/index_en.html Canadian Unity Council] $$
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===Favorite targets===
===Favorite targets===


* Parti Québécois leaders René Lévesque, Jacques Parizeau, Lucien Bouchard and Bernard Landry
* [[Wikipedia:Parti Québécois|Parti Québécois]] leaders [[Wikipedia:René Lévesque|René Lévesque]], [[Wikipedia:Jacques Parizeau|Jacques Parizeau]], [[Wikipedia:Lucien Bouchard|Lucien Bouchard]] and [[Wikipedia:Bernard Landry|Bernard Landry]]
* 19th century Conservative Catholic nationalist Lionel Groulx
* 19th century Conservative Catholic nationalist [[Wikipedia:Lionel Groulx|Lionel Groulx]] accused of antisemitism
* Free thinker and social democrat Yves Michaud who dared publicly state that Groulx was not antisemitic
* Free thinker and social democrat [[Wikipedia:Yves Michaud|Yves Michaud]] who dared publicly state that [[Yves Michaud's letter to the Canadian Jewish Congress|Groulx was not antisemitic]]
* Quebec's national symbols, its flag, its national holiday, its heroes
* Quebec's national symbols, its flag, its national holiday, its heroes
* Quebec's institutions, its elected representatives, its language policy, its immigration policy, its economic policy
* Quebec's institutions, its elected representatives, its language policy, its immigration policy, its economic policy
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* [http://www.vigile.net/01-9/pinkerton.html ''Quebec Liberated Itself Into a Backwater''] by James P. Pinkerton in Newsday, July 31, 2001
* [http://www.vigile.net/01-9/pinkerton.html ''Quebec Liberated Itself Into a Backwater''] by James P. Pinkerton in Newsday, July 31, 2001
* [http://www.vigile.net/99mai/decariessjb.html ''The St-Jean-Baptiste parade''] by Graeme Decarie, The World Today, 27 avril 1999
* [http://www.vigile.net/99mai/decariessjb.html ''The St-Jean-Baptiste parade''] by Graeme Decarie, The World Today, 27 avril 1999
* [http://www.newimprovedhead.com/shell2.htm Quebec Nationalism in a Nutshell], by Roland Barphe
* [[:Category:Quebec bashing|More...]]


====Websites====
====Websites====
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* [http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/9820/main.html Fighting Quebec Separatism]
* [http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/9820/main.html Fighting Quebec Separatism]
* [http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/4652/ Canada is a Real Country!]
* [http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/4652/ Canada is a Real Country!]
* [[:Category:Quebec bashing|More...]]


====Useful patriots====
====Useful patriots====
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* [http://www.vigile.net/00-4/bashing.html ''Bashing Québec fashionable in anglo media''], by Michel David, The Gazette, Friday 21 April 2000  
* [http://www.vigile.net/00-4/bashing.html ''Bashing Québec fashionable in anglo media''], by Michel David, The Gazette, Friday 21 April 2000  
* [http://www.vigile.net/ds-societe/docs2/02-6-26-conlogue-francophobie.html ''Oh Canada, Oh Quebec, Oh Richler''], by Ray Conlogue, Globe & Mail, June 26, 2002
* [http://www.vigile.net/ds-societe/docs2/02-6-26-conlogue-francophobie.html ''Oh Canada, Oh Quebec, Oh Richler''], by Ray Conlogue, Globe & Mail, June 26, 2002
* ''The Black Book of English Canada'', by Normand Lester, Toronto, McClelland & Stewart, 2002, 296 pages ISBN 077102259X
* [http://books.google.ca/books?id=4V8tAAAACAAJ ''The Black Book of English Canada''], by Normand Lester, Toronto, McClelland & Stewart, 2002, 296 pages ISBN 077102259X
* [http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060920/janwon_column_060920/20060920?hub=Canada ''Harper complains to Globe about Jan Wong column''], Canadian Press, September 20, 2006
* [http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060920/janwon_column_060920/20060920?hub=Canada ''Harper complains to Globe about Jan Wong column''], Canadian Press, September 20, 2006


== Legitimate and valid objections ==
== Legitimate and valid objections? ==
 
Are there legitimate and valid objections to the independence of Québec? Of course, in theory. These objections were mostly formulated by Québec nationalists themselves. Indeed, in the decades old dialogue between nationalists wishing to reform the constitution of Canada and those who have opted for secession, we believe that all important questions were properly addressed. In the end it becomes a question of self-confidence, self-respect and values.
 
Human dignity is the key word.


There are some legitimate and valid objections to the independence of Québec. These objections were mostly formulated by Québec nationalists themselves. Indeed, in the decades old dialogue between nationalists wishing to reform the constitution of Canada and those who opted for secession, we believe that all important questions were properly addressed. In the end it becomes a question of self-confidence, self-respect and values. Visitors should be able to find what they are looking for here:
Visitors searching for answers to valid and reasoned objections should be able to find what they are looking for here:


* [[FAQ|Frequently asked questions]]
* [[FAQ|Frequently asked questions]]
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* [[A few important facts]]
* [[A few important facts]]
* [[Myths and fallacies about Québec]]
* [[Myths and fallacies about Québec]]
* [http://www.cam.org/~ipso/Textes/common_declaration.htm ''Common declaration of sovereignist and federalist intellectuals from Canada and Québec''], by ''Les Intellectuels pour la souveraineté''
* ''[[Common declaration of sovereignist and federalist intellectuals from Canada and Québec]]'', by the [[Intellectuels pour la souveraineté]] (IPSO)

Latest revision as of 16:13, 29 November 2010

"I see in the not remote distance one great nationality bound like the shield of Achilles, by the blue rim of ocean ... I see within the ground of that shield the peaks of the western mountains and the crests of the eastern waves." - Thomas D'Arcy McGee, 1860

"Very blind are those who speak of the creation of a new nationality, strong and harmonious, on the northern bank of the St. Lawrence and the Great Lakes, and who are unaware of or denounce the major and providential fact that this nationality is already very well formed, that it is great, and growing unceasingly; that it cannot be confined to its current limits; that it has an irresistible force of expansion; that in the future it will be more and more made up of immigrants coming from all the countries in the world, no longer only from Europe, but soon from Asia, whose overpopulation is five times more numerous [than that of Europe] and no longer has any other outfall than America; composed, says I, of all races of men, who, with their thousand religious beliefs, large mix of errors and truths, are all pushed by the Providence towards this common rendez-vous that will melt in unity and fraternity all of the human family." -- Louis-Joseph Papineau, 1867

Government of Canada

From United Empire, to United Dominion, to United Canada.

Not only is the federal government denying the very existence of the Québec political nation since 1867, it is also shamelessly using Quebecers' own tax money 1) to finance its coast-to-coast nation-building project and 2) to fight Quebecers' conflicting national aspirations. According to the adversaries of independence, the Quebec polity, whose origin goes back to at least 1663 when it became a royal province of the Kingdom of France, would be destined to remain the province of another State forever, yesterday France and Great Britain, today federal Canada.

Various organizations

These organizations are actively engaged in the nation-building project of the federal State, project which implies a battling against that old Quebec national sentiment that just won't die...

$$ = Funded by the Government of Canada, therefore in part by Quebecers' own tax money

Québec Bashing

Failing to come up with valid arguments to counter those put forward by the secessionists, some influential factions in the Unionist camp have adopted the good old strategy of misrepresenting their adversaries' arguments and intentions to better win against them. The arguments of the right to self-determination and cultural rights of peoples being particularly hard to refute, they have chosen to work around them and refute other arguments instead. How hard is it to refute invalid arguments that you have crafted yourself?

Techniques

Political warfare, in its modern incarnation, still uses the same old tricks...

Favorite targets

Examples

Newspaper articles

Websites

Useful patriots

Just a few individuals who have found a way to make a living by spitting on imaginary Quebec separatist monsters who eat children alive and worship Adolph Hitler.

  • Diane Francis, author of Fighting for Canada, 1996 ISBN 1550137964
  • Howard Galganov, author of Bastards, 1998 ISBN 0-9684177-0-1
  • Bill Johnson, author of Anglophobie Made in Québec, 1991 ISBN 2-7604-0399-8
  • Mordecai Richler, author of Oh Canada! Oh Quebec! Requiem for a Divided Country, 1992 ISBN 0-14-016817-6

Note: Mordecai Richler is also the author of excellent fiction works unlike the others.

Late denunciation and response

Many of us didn't fail to notice it. The constant depiction of Quebec nationalists, sovereignists, francophones in general, or even all Quebecers, as morally inferior to Canadians, incapable of governing themselves, less progressive and liberal, responsible for Canada's problems, is fundamentally the same process that was used to spread hatred of the Jews in 19th and 20th century Europe.

Legitimate and valid objections?

Are there legitimate and valid objections to the independence of Québec? Of course, in theory. These objections were mostly formulated by Québec nationalists themselves. Indeed, in the decades old dialogue between nationalists wishing to reform the constitution of Canada and those who have opted for secession, we believe that all important questions were properly addressed. In the end it becomes a question of self-confidence, self-respect and values.

Human dignity is the key word.

Visitors searching for answers to valid and reasoned objections should be able to find what they are looking for here:

See also